Yuan CEO Mark Zuckerberg Slams rival tech giants apple In a lengthy podcast interview on Friday, he expressed dissatisfaction with lackluster innovation efforts and “random rules.”

“On one hand, (the iPhone) is great because almost everyone in the world has a phone now, and that’s what enables amazing things,” Zuckerberg said in an episode of the show. “The Joe Rogan Experience.” “But on the other hand… they’ve made a lot of rules with this platform that I think feel arbitrary, and (I) feel like they haven’t really invented anything great in a while. It’s like Steve Steve Jobs invented the iPhone, and 20 years later, they’re just sitting on it.”

Zuckerberg added that he thinks iPhone sales in trouble That’s because consumers take longer to upgrade their phones because new models aren’t much of an improvement over previous iterations.

“So how do they make more money as a company? Well, they do it basically by squeezing talent, like you said, by getting you to buy more peripherals and other things Put a 30% tax on developers,” Zuckerberg said. “You know, they make things like Air Pods, which is cool, but they completely undermine everyone else’s ability to make something that can connect to an iPhone in the same way.”

Zuckerberg said Apple defended itself by saying it didn’t want to infringe on consumers’ privacy and security to avoid backlash from other companies. But he said the problem would be solved if Apple fixed its protocols, such as building better security and using encryption.

“It’s insecure because you didn’t build any security into it. And then you’re now using that as a reason why only your product can connect in a simple way,” Zuckerberg said.

Zuckerberg said Meta’s profits would double if Apple stopped applying its “random rules.”

He also filmed Apple Vision Pro headphonesits sales in the United States were disappointing. Meta sells its own virtual headset, called Meta Quest.

“I think Vision Pro is one of the biggest shifts in new things they’ve tried in a while,” Zuckerberg said. “I don’t want to give them too much time because we did a lot of that first version It’s not that good, you want to judge the third version, but I mean, it definitely didn’t work out.”

“I’ve heard it’s great for watching movies,” he added.

Apple did not immediately respond to CNBC’s request for comment.